[Wilanga Developers List] RE: Fwd: proposed music management
system for event and legal ramifications.
Date: March 6th 2009
So, the structure that everyone's talking about seems to be an Incorporated Association! See http://ocba.sa.gov.au/Associations/ or just read the surprisingly informative http://www.ocba.sa.gov.au/assets/files/Associations_Incorporation_Act_1985_web1.pdf - Enjoy!
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:12 AM, ashton mcallan <acegikmo@gmail.com> wrote:
I can have a look.
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 15:35 -0800, Simon Bannister wrote:
> Could we get a copy of the hall insurance to see if it covers our needs ace?
>
> AA> On 3/1/09, Simon Bannister <websafepallet@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I thought of that but I also thought that It would be good to be super
> > covered? also, it's at wilunga so who knows :P
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Justin Miller <jtmiller@jtmiller.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Waivers are only good to a certain extent, but on the other side the
> >> hall
> >> we are renting should have some form of public liability insurance which
> >> you
> >> are covered under when you enter into the contract of hiring the hall
> >> from
> >> them.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Simon Bannister
> >> <websafepallet@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> While we're on the subject of legality, I know it's costly but we should
> >>> look into insurance, if someone's computer was taken out by a surge or
> >>> someone tripped on a cable and broke their leg, we (or the wilanga
> >>> organisation if we do that) would be liable for all costs. Maybe get a
> >>> proper waiver written up? It's a one time expense and could save a LOT
> >>> of
> >>> money in the long run
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Simon Bannister <
> >>> websafepallet@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I am all for that idea, completely for it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Justin Miller
> >>>> <jtmiller@jtmiller.net>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> A meeting can be as small as two people so long as appropriate notes
> >>>>> are taken and publicly available, only an annual general meeting would
> >>>>> be
> >>>>> required aswell.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:09 AM, ashton mcallan
> >>>>> <acegikmo@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> yes it would be the structure a uni club takes. This would usually
> >>>>>> mean
> >>>>>> mettings needing to be attended but I'll investigate if that can't be
> >>>>>> replaced with a web technology.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 13:22 -0800, Brett Eterovic-Soric wrote:
> >>>>>> > I think what we all want to know is, will this make more work for
> >>>>>> > me
> >>>>>> > personally?
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > Justin Miller wrote:
> >>>>>> > > Maybe the kind of structure a uni club takes? they are allowed
> >>>>>> > > to
> >>>>>> own
> >>>>>> > > physical items and have bank accounts,
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Brett Eterovic-Soric <
> >>>>>> bsoric@gmail.com
> >>>>>> > > <mailto:bsoric@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > I like the idea, but what sort of governing body are we
> >>>>>> > > talking
> >>>>>> about?
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > ashton mcallan wrote:
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > I think it ought to be legal where it can be. What do
> >>>>>> people say to
> >>>>>> > > wilanga becoming an incorporated body which can own
> >>>>>> > > things(specifically
> >>>>>> > > a bank account)? (would require some kind of governing
> >>>>>> body)
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 06:31 -0800, Simon Bannister wrote:
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > Because the rest of wilanga is oh so legal :P
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Brett Eterovic-Soric
> >>>>>> > > <bsoric@gmail.com <mailto:bsoric@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>> > > acegikmo: also: $55 for licensing the
> >>>>>> > > musicbox for 24 hours
> >>>>>> > > acegikmo: and then it's all legal
> >>>>>> > > acegikmo: though the mechanical arm of apra
> >>>>>> still has
> >>>>>> > > to talk
> >>>>>> > > to me about the fact that uploading to the box
> >>>>>> counts
> >>>>>> > > as a
> >>>>>> > > reproduction, but saying that we wipe the
> >>>>>> contents at
> >>>>>> > > the end
> >>>>>> > > of the event should make that all good
> >>>>>> > > Dion Baker wrote:
> >>>>>> > > No word yet Ace?
> >>>>>> > > Stueh
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > *From:*
> >>>>>> > > Ashton McAllan [mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com
> >>>>>> > > <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>]
> >>>>>> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, 24 February 2009 7:40
> >>>>>> PM
> >>>>>> > > *To:* Wilanga Developers List
> >>>>>> > > Subscriber
> >>>>>> > > *Subject:* [Wilanga Developers List]
> >>>>>> Fwd:
> >>>>>> > > proposed
> >>>>>> > > music management system for event and
> >>>>>> legal
> >>>>>> > > ramifications.
> >>>>>> > > I sent
> >>>>>> this
> >>>>>> > > message to APRA earlier today. They are
> >>>>>> > > the body responsible for music
> >>>>>> > > licensing
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> > > australia.
> >>>>>> > > Will forward any reply.
> >>>>>> > > ---------- Forwarded
> >>>>>> message
> >>>>>> > > ----------
> >>>>>> > > From: *Ashton McAllan*
> >>>>>> > > <acegikmo@gmail.com <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> > > <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com
> >>>>>> > > <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>>>
> >>>>>> > > Date: Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 7:38 PM
> >>>>>> > > Subject: proposed music management
> >>>>>> system for
> >>>>>> > > event
> >>>>>> > > and legal ramifications.
> >>>>>> > > To:
> >>>>>> > > licence@apra.com.au
> >>>>>> > > <mailto:licence@apra.com.au> <mailto:
> >>>>>> licence@apra.com.au
> >>>>>> > > <mailto:licence@apra.com.au>>
> >>>>>> > > Dear
> >>>>>> Sirs/Madams,
> >>>>>> > > I run a LAN gaming event in South
> >>>>>> Australia,
> >>>>>> > > and good
> >>>>>> > > music is an important part of the
> >>>>>> awesome
> >>>>>> > > atmosphere.
> >>>>>> > > The issue of WHAT music is played has,
> >>>>>> > > however, been
> >>>>>> > > controversial, as people's tastes
> >>>>>> differ. One
> >>>>>> > > of our
> >>>>>> > > devs has come up with an ingenious
> >>>>>> system
> >>>>>> > > where the
> >>>>>> > > speakers for the event are hooked up
> >>>>>> > > to
> >>>>>> a web
> >>>>>> > > server
> >>>>>> > > that acts as a virtual jukebox which
> >>>>>> people
> >>>>>> > > can access
> >>>>>> > > through the computer network at the
> >>>>>> event and
> >>>>>> > > vote for
> >>>>>> > > their favourite songs and, if they
> >>>>>> > > don't
> >>>>>> see
> >>>>>> > > anything
> >>>>>> > > they like, upload music from their
> >>>>>> computer
> >>>>>> > > to the
> >>>>>> > > server to be included in the voting
> >>>>>> list.
> >>>>>> > > While we are
> >>>>>> > > in love with this concept as it
> >>>>>> effectively
> >>>>>> > > solves the
> >>>>>> > > problem of people complaining because
> >>>>>> they
> >>>>>> > > don't like
> >>>>>> > > the music, we are concerned about
> >>>>>> licensing
> >>>>>> > > for this
> >>>>>> > > system For the following reasons:
> >>>>>> > > A) We have no idea what people will
> >>>>>> upload or
> >>>>>> > > vote
> >>>>>> > > for.
> >>>>>> > > B)We have little control over what is
> >>>>>> and isn't
> >>>>>> > > uploaded/played.
> >>>>>> > > It was suggested that we make users
> >>>>>> informed and
> >>>>>> > > responsible for the music they upload
> >>>>>> and related
> >>>>>> > > lisencing issues, but I thought it
> >>>>>> > > would
> >>>>>> be
> >>>>>> > > best to
> >>>>>> > > contact APRA and seek advice from an
> >>>>>> official
> >>>>>> > > body.
> >>>>>> > > Yours Sincerely, Ashton McAllan
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
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