Date: March 6th 2009

Also, we'd be "Wilanga, Inc."

Simon Bannister wrote:
> So, the structure that everyone's talking about seems to be an
> Incorporated Association! See http://ocba.sa.gov.au/Associations/ or
> just read the surprisingly informative
> http://www.ocba.sa.gov.au/assets/files/Associations_Incorporation_Act_1985_web1.pdf
> - Enjoy!
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:12 AM, ashton mcallan <acegikmo@gmail.com
> <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>;> wrote:
>
>
> I can have a look.
>
> On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 15:35 -0800, Simon Bannister wrote:
> > Could we get a copy of the hall insurance to see if it covers our
> needs ace?
> >
> > On 3/1/09, Simon Bannister <websafepallet@gmail.com
> <mailto:websafepallet@gmail.com>;> wrote:
> > > I thought of that but I also thought that It would be good to
> be super
> > > covered? also, it's at wilunga so who knows :P
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Justin Miller
> <jtmiller@jtmiller.net <mailto:jtmiller@jtmiller.net>;>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Waivers are only good to a certain extent, but on the other
> side the
> > >> hall
> > >> we are renting should have some form of public liability
> insurance which
> > >> you
> > >> are covered under when you enter into the contract of hiring
> the hall
> > >> from
> > >> them.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Simon Bannister
> > >> <websafepallet@gmail.com <mailto:websafepallet@gmail.com>;>wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> While we're on the subject of legality, I know it's costly
> but we should
> > >>> look into insurance, if someone's computer was taken out by a
> surge or
> > >>> someone tripped on a cable and broke their leg, we (or the
> wilanga
> > >>> organisation if we do that) would be liable for all costs.
> Maybe get a
> > >>> proper waiver written up? It's a one time expense and could
> save a LOT
> > >>> of
> > >>> money in the long run
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Simon Bannister <
> > >>> websafepallet@gmail.com <mailto:websafepallet@gmail.com>;> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I am all for that idea, completely for it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Justin Miller
> > >>>> <jtmiller@jtmiller.net <mailto:jtmiller@jtmiller.net>;>wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> A meeting can be as small as two people so long as
> appropriate notes
> > >>>>> are taken and publicly available, only an annual general
> meeting would
> > >>>>> be
> > >>>>> required aswell.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:09 AM, ashton mcallan
> > >>>>> <acegikmo@gmail.com <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>;>wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> yes it would be the structure a uni club takes. This would
> usually
> > >>>>>> mean
> > >>>>>> mettings needing to be attended but I'll investigate if
> that can't be
> > >>>>>> replaced with a web technology.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 13:22 -0800, Brett Eterovic-Soric wrote:
> > >>>>>> > I think what we all want to know is, will this make more
> work for
> > >>>>>> > me
> > >>>>>> > personally?
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> > Justin Miller wrote:
> > >>>>>> > > Maybe the kind of structure a uni club takes? they
> are allowed
> > >>>>>> > > to
> > >>>>>> own
> > >>>>>> > > physical items and have bank accounts,
> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>>>>> > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Brett Eterovic-Soric <
> > >>>>>> bsoric@gmail.com <mailto:bsoric@gmail.com>;
> > >>>>>> > > <mailto:bsoric@gmail.com <mailto:bsoric@gmail.com>;>>
> wrote:
> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>>>>> > > I like the idea, but what sort of governing body
> are we
> > >>>>>> > > talking
> > >>>>>> about?
> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>>>>> > > ashton mcallan wrote:
> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>>>>> > > I think it ought to be legal where it can be.
> What do
> > >>>>>> people say to
> > >>>>>> > > wilanga becoming an incorporated body which
> can own
> > >>>>>> > > things(specifically
> > >>>>>> > > a bank account)? (would require some kind of
> governing
> > >>>>>> body)
> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>>>>> > > On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 06:31 -0800, Simon
> Bannister wrote:
> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>>>>> > > Because the rest of wilanga is oh so legal :P
> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>>>>> > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Brett
> Eterovic-Soric
> > >>>>>> > > <bsoric@gmail.com
> <mailto:bsoric@gmail.com>; <mailto:bsoric@gmail.com
> <mailto:bsoric@gmail.com>;>> wrote:
> > >>>>>> > > acegikmo: also: $55 for
> licensing the
> > >>>>>> > > musicbox for 24 hours
> > >>>>>> > > acegikmo: and then it's all legal
> > >>>>>> > > acegikmo: though the mechanical arm
> of apra
> > >>>>>> still has
> > >>>>>> > > to talk
> > >>>>>> > > to me about the fact that uploading
> to the box
> > >>>>>> counts
> > >>>>>> > > as a
> > >>>>>> > > reproduction, but saying that we
> wipe the
> > >>>>>> contents at
> > >>>>>> > > the end
> > >>>>>> > > of the event should make that all good
> > >>>>>> > > Dion Baker
> wrote:
> > >>>>>> > > No word yet Ace?
> > >>>>>> > >
> Stueh
> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>>>>> > > *From:*
> > >>>>>> > > Ashton McAllan [mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com
> <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>;
> > >>>>>> > > <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com
> <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>;>]
> > >>>>>> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, 24
> February 2009 7:40
> > >>>>>> PM
> > >>>>>> > > *To:* Wilanga Developers List
> > >>>>>> > > Subscriber
> > >>>>>> > > *Subject:* [Wilanga
> Developers List]
> > >>>>>> Fwd:
> > >>>>>> > > proposed
> > >>>>>> > > music management system for
> event and
> > >>>>>> legal
> > >>>>>> > > ramifications.
> > >>>>>> > >
> I sent
> > >>>>>> this
> > >>>>>> > > message to APRA earlier today. They are
> > >>>>>> > > the body responsible for music
> > >>>>>> > > licensing
> > >>>>>> in
> > >>>>>> > > australia.
> > >>>>>> > > Will forward any reply.
> > >>>>>> > > ----------
> Forwarded
> > >>>>>> message
> > >>>>>> > > ----------
> > >>>>>> > > From:
> *Ashton McAllan*
> > >>>>>> > > <acegikmo@gmail.com
> <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>; <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com
> <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>;>
> > >>>>>> > > <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com
> <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>;
> > >>>>>> > > <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com
> <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>;>>>
> > >>>>>> > > Date: Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at
> 7:38 PM
> > >>>>>> > > Subject: proposed music
> management
> > >>>>>> system for
> > >>>>>> > > event
> > >>>>>> > > and legal ramifications.
> > >>>>>> > > To:
> > >>>>>> > > licence@apra.com.au <mailto:licence@apra.com.au>;
> > >>>>>> > > <mailto:licence@apra.com.au
> <mailto:licence@apra.com.au>;> <mailto:
> > >>>>>> licence@apra.com.au <mailto:licence@apra.com.au>;
> > >>>>>> > > <mailto:licence@apra.com.au
> <mailto:licence@apra.com.au>;>>
> > >>>>>> > >
> Dear
> > >>>>>> Sirs/Madams,
> > >>>>>> > > I run a LAN gaming event in
> South
> > >>>>>> Australia,
> > >>>>>> > > and good
> > >>>>>> > > music is an important part
> of the
> > >>>>>> awesome
> > >>>>>> > > atmosphere.
> > >>>>>> > > The issue of WHAT music is
> played has,
> > >>>>>> > > however, been
> > >>>>>> > > controversial, as people's
> tastes
> > >>>>>> differ. One
> > >>>>>> > > of our
> > >>>>>> > > devs has come up with an
> ingenious
> > >>>>>> system
> > >>>>>> > > where the
> > >>>>>> > > speakers for the event are
> hooked up
> > >>>>>> > > to
> > >>>>>> a web
> > >>>>>> > > server
> > >>>>>> > > that acts as a virtual
> jukebox which
> > >>>>>> people
> > >>>>>> > > can access
> > >>>>>> > > through the computer
> network at the
> > >>>>>> event and
> > >>>>>> > > vote for
> > >>>>>> > > their favourite songs and,
> if they
> > >>>>>> > > don't
> > >>>>>> see
> > >>>>>> > > anything
> > >>>>>> > > they like, upload music
> from their
> > >>>>>> computer
> > >>>>>> > > to the
> > >>>>>> > > server to be included in
> the voting
> > >>>>>> list.
> > >>>>>> > > While we are
> > >>>>>> > > in love with this concept as it
> > >>>>>> effectively
> > >>>>>> > > solves the
> > >>>>>> > > problem of people
> complaining because
> > >>>>>> they
> > >>>>>> > > don't like
> > >>>>>> > > the music, we are concerned
> about
> > >>>>>> licensing
> > >>>>>> > > for this
> > >>>>>> > > system For the following
> reasons:
> > >>>>>> > > A) We have no idea what
> people will
> > >>>>>> upload or
> > >>>>>> > > vote
> > >>>>>> > > for.
> > >>>>>> > > B)We have little control
> over what is
> > >>>>>> and isn't
> > >>>>>> > > uploaded/played.
> > >>>>>> > > It was suggested that we
> make users
> > >>>>>> informed and
> > >>>>>> > > responsible for the music
> they upload
> > >>>>>> and related
> > >>>>>> > > lisencing issues, but I
> thought it
> > >>>>>> > > would
> > >>>>>> be
> > >>>>>> > > best to
> > >>>>>> > > contact APRA and seek
> advice from an
> > >>>>>> official
> > >>>>>> > > body.
> > >>>>>> > > Yours Sincerely, Ashton McAllan
> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >
> > AA
>
>