[Wilanga Developers List] RE: Fwd: proposed music management system for event and legal ramifications.

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Date: March 6th 2009

Okay, sorry I haven't been Busy with work etc. (I've
Anyhoo,

About the club thing, this secratary, etc. which doesn't possible for us to have different Secratary, who also handles handles mosto f the stuff now server, etc.

When it comes to having to couple of hours before wiLANga
On the topic of a legal waiver, much it would cost. Another cover us. AFAIK, a waiver for gross negligence etc.

I would suggest insurance. cover what they provide and powerboards, etc.) that fails not theirs. They're only hiring
And Simon, we're totally legal
My two cents.

- stueh

On Fri, March 6, 2009 6:55 >
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> talking, ain't checked this account in a while.
done about 6 hours overtime in three days )= )
would mean we need a president, treasurer,
really fit with a LAN style group, so it is
positions, or mixed positions? Eg,
and advises the network, President who also
(ACE!:P), Treasurer who handles the musicbox and
hold an AGM, we could just do that in the
starts, on every second wiLANga?
while it is a good idea, I do wonder how
thing is that it still does not completely
will be ignored by a court is we are to blame
Again, ASAIB, the halls insurance would only
maintain. Anything WE bring in (computers,
/ causes injury or damage is OUR PROBLEM,
out the hall to us.
... >.>
pm, Brett Eterovic-Soric wrote:
/> Also, we'd be "Wilanga, Inc."
/> Simon Bannister wrote:
So, the structure that everyone's talking about seems to be an
Incorporated Association! See http://ocba.sa.gov.au/Associations/ or
just read the surprisingly informative
http://www.ocba.sa.gov.au/assets/files/Associations_Incorporation_Act_1985_web1.pdf
- Enjoy!
/> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:12 AM, ashton mcallan <acegikmo@gmail.com
<mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>;> wrote:
/> /> I can have a look.
/> On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 15:35 -0800, Simon Bannister wrote:
> Could we get a copy of the hall insurance to see if it covers our
needs ace?
>
> On 3/1/09, Simon Bannister <websafepallet@gmail.com
<mailto:websafepallet@gmail.com>;> wrote:
> > I thought of that but I also thought that It would be good to
be super
> > covered? also, it's at wilunga so who knows :P
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Justin Miller
<jtmiller@jtmiller.net <mailto:jtmiller@jtmiller.net>;>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Waivers are only good to a certain extent, but on the other
side the
> >> hall
> >> we are renting should have some form of public liability
insurance which
> >> you
> >> are covered under when you enter into the contract of hiring
the hall
> >> from
> >> them.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Simon Bannister
> >> <websafepallet@gmail.com
<mailto:websafepallet@gmail.com>;>wrote:
> >>
> >>> While we're on the subject of legality, I know it's costly
but we should
> >>> look into insurance, if someone's computer was taken out by a
surge or
> >>> someone tripped on a cable and broke their leg, we (or the
wilanga
> >>> organisation if we do that) would be liable for all costs.
Maybe get a
> >>> proper waiver written up? It's a one time expense and could
save a LOT
> >>> of
> >>> money in the long run
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Simon Bannister <
> >>> websafepallet@gmail.com <mailto:websafepallet@gmail.com>;>
wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I am all for that idea, completely for it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Justin Miller
> >>>> <jtmiller@jtmiller.net <mailto:jtmiller@jtmiller.net>;>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> A meeting can be as small as two people so long as
appropriate notes
> >>>>> are taken and publicly available, only an annual general
meeting would
> >>>>> be
> >>>>> required aswell.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:09 AM, ashton mcallan
> >>>>> <acegikmo@gmail.com <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>;>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> yes it would be the structure a uni club takes. This would
usually
> >>>>>> mean
> >>>>>> mettings needing to be attended but I'll investigate if
that can't be
> >>>>>> replaced with a web technology.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 13:22 -0800, Brett Eterovic-Soric
wrote:
> >>>>>> > I think what we all want to know is, will this make more
work for
> >>>>>> > me
> >>>>>> > personally?
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > Justin Miller wrote:
> >>>>>> > > Maybe the kind of structure a uni club takes? they
are allowed
> >>>>>> > > to
> >>>>>> own
> >>>>>> > > physical items and have bank accounts,
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Brett Eterovic-Soric <
> >>>>>> bsoric@gmail.com <mailto:bsoric@gmail.com>;
> >>>>>> > > <mailto:bsoric@gmail.com <mailto:bsoric@gmail.com>;>>
wrote:
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > I like the idea, but what sort of governing body
are we
> >>>>>> > > talking
> >>>>>> about?
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > ashton mcallan wrote:
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > I think it ought to be legal where it can be.
What do
> >>>>>> people say to
> >>>>>> > > wilanga becoming an incorporated body which
can own
> >>>>>> > > things(specifically
> >>>>>> > > a bank account)? (would require some kind of
governing
> >>>>>> body)
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 06:31 -0800, Simon
Bannister wrote:
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > Because the rest of wilanga is oh so legal
:P
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Brett
Eterovic-Soric
> >>>>>> > > <bsoric@gmail.com
<mailto:bsoric@gmail.com>; <mailto:bsoric@gmail.com
<mailto:bsoric@gmail.com>;>> wrote:
> >>>>>> > > acegikmo: also: $55 for
licensing the
> >>>>>> > > musicbox for 24 hours
> >>>>>> > > acegikmo: and then it's all legal
> >>>>>> > > acegikmo: though the mechanical arm
of apra
> >>>>>> still has
> >>>>>> > > to talk
> >>>>>> > > to me about the fact that uploading
to the box
> >>>>>> counts
> >>>>>> > > as a
> >>>>>> > > reproduction, but saying that we
wipe the
> >>>>>> contents at
> >>>>>> > > the end
> >>>>>> > > of the event should make that all
good
> >>>>>> > > Dion Baker
wrote:
> >>>>>> > > No word yet Ace?
> >>>>>> > >
Stueh
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > *From:*
> >>>>>> > > Ashton McAllan [mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com
<mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>;
> >>>>>> > > <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com
<mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>;>]
> >>>>>> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, 24
February 2009 7:40
> >>>>>> PM
> >>>>>> > > *To:* Wilanga Developers
List
> >>>>>> > > Subscriber
> >>>>>> > > *Subject:* [Wilanga
Developers List]
> >>>>>> Fwd:
> >>>>>> > > proposed
> >>>>>> > > music management system for
event and
> >>>>>> legal
> >>>>>> > > ramifications.
> >>>>>> > >
I sent
> >>>>>> this
> >>>>>> > > message to APRA earlier today. They are
> >>>>>> > > the body responsible for
music
> >>>>>> > > licensing
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> > > australia.
> >>>>>> > > Will forward any reply.
> >>>>>> > > ----------
Forwarded
> >>>>>> message
> >>>>>> > > ----------
> >>>>>> > > From:
*Ashton McAllan*
> >>>>>> > > <acegikmo@gmail.com
<mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>; <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com
<mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>;>
> >>>>>> > > <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com
<mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>;
> >>>>>> > > <mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com
<mailto:acegikmo@gmail.com>;>>>
> >>>>>> > > Date: Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at
7:38 PM
> >>>>>> > > Subject: proposed music
management
> >>>>>> system for
> >>>>>> > > event
> >>>>>> > > and legal ramifications.
> >>>>>> > > To:
> >>>>>> > > licence@apra.com.au <mailto:licence@apra.com.au>;
> >>>>>> > > <mailto:licence@apra.com.au
<mailto:licence@apra.com.au>;> <mailto:
> >>>>>> licence@apra.com.au <mailto:licence@apra.com.au>;
> >>>>>> > > <mailto:licence@apra.com.au
<mailto:licence@apra.com.au>;>>
> >>>>>> > >
Dear
> >>>>>> Sirs/Madams,
> >>>>>> > > I run a LAN gaming event in
South
> >>>>>> Australia,
> >>>>>> > > and good
> >>>>>> > > music is an important part
of the
> >>>>>> awesome
> >>>>>> > > atmosphere.
> >>>>>> > > The issue of WHAT music is
played has,
> >>>>>> > > however, been
> >>>>>> > > controversial, as people's
tastes
> >>>>>> differ. One
> >>>>>> > > of our
> >>>>>> > > devs has come up with an
ingenious
> >>>>>> system
> >>>>>> > > where the
> >>>>>> > > speakers for the event are
hooked up
> >>>>>> > > to
> >>>>>> a web
> >>>>>> > > server
> >>>>>> > > that acts as a virtual
jukebox which
> >>>>>> people
> >>>>>> > > can access
> >>>>>> > > through the computer
network at the
> >>>>>> event and
> >>>>>> > > vote for
> >>>>>> > > their favourite songs and,
if they
> >>>>>> > > don't
> >>>>>> see
> >>>>>> > > anything
> >>>>>> > > they like, upload music
from their
> >>>>>> computer
> >>>>>> > > to the
> >>>>>> > > server to be included in
the voting
> >>>>>> list.
> >>>>>> > > While we are
> >>>>>> > > in love with this concept
as it
> >>>>>> effectively
> >>>>>> > > solves the
> >>>>>> > > problem of people
complaining because
> >>>>>> they
> >>>>>> > > don't like
> >>>>>> > > the music, we are concerned
about
> >>>>>> licensing
> >>>>>> > > for this
> >>>>>> > > system For the following
reasons:
> >>>>>> > > A) We have no idea what
people will
> >>>>>> upload or
> >>>>>> > > vote
> >>>>>> > > for.
> >>>>>> > > B)We have little control
over what is
> >>>>>> and isn't
> >>>>>> > > uploaded/played.
> >>>>>> > > It was suggested that we
make users
> >>>>>> informed and
> >>>>>> > > responsible for the music
they upload
> >>>>>> and related
> >>>>>> > > lisencing issues, but I
thought it
> >>>>>> > > would
> >>>>>> be
> >>>>>> > > best to
> >>>>>> > > contact APRA and seek
advice from an
> >>>>>> official
> >>>>>> > > body.
> >>>>>> > > Yours Sincerely, Ashton
McAllan
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> AA
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